Saturday, September 10, 2005

Coptic Pope Congratulates Mubarak قداسة البابا يهنى الرئيس مبارك

بعد فوز الرئيس مبارك الساحق الماحق على منافسيه أرسل قداسة البابا شنودة الثالث التهانى الى السيد الرئيس ، هذا نصها

Pope's message to Mubarak as posted on the Pope’s website

تفتكروا البابا فعلا يقصد ان الرئيس مبارك "مافيش زيه بجد"؟"

Did H.H. really mean that Mubarak is

" really incomparable" ?

!!"انت مافيش زيك بجد"

!!"انت بجد مافيش زيك"

بس انا خلاص فهمت قصد قداسة البابا

انت مافيش زيك فى اضطهاد الأقباط وتهميشهم من كل المواقع القيادية الهامة

Oh No, no.... I know the real meaning

"You are incomparable in marginalizing the Copts and preventing them from holding high ranking posts"

انا ها اروح اشترى مترين قماش واكتب يافطة على بيتنا واقول فيها : "سيادة الرئيس مبارك ، مبروك : ده " انت مافيش زيك بجد " و "انت بجد مافيش زيك

(بس ها اقول فى سري (فى اضطهاد الأقباط وإذلالهم فى الحصول على تصاريح بناء الكنائس

أما حركة كفاية فقد قامت بمظاهرة اليوم في القاهرة وردد المتظاهرون الهتاف التالى

السكة موش طويلة فاضل على حسني زقة، وحنخلص منه في ليلة .. لو كلنا قلنا لأه

Egyptian demonstrators shout anti-President Hosni Mubarak slogans during a protest in downtown Cairo Saturday, Sept.10, 2005 a day after the head of Egypt's elections commission announced that President Hosni Mubarak had won Egypt's first contested elections with 88 percent of the vote. (AP Photo/Amr Nabil)


At 2:47 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

معروف ان مبارك كان هايفوز فما الداعى لهذه الزفة؟

At 2:50 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a truly a sad day for the Coptic church. With all of the persecution of our people in Egypt you would think that the Pope would refrain from supporting the man who is at least partially responsible for this persecution.

The Pope should have remained neutral and not endorsed anybody. Or if he was really brave, he should have endorsed the Coptic candidate. But the Pope did not do this. He threw his full support behind Mumbarack instead, publishing weekly articles on his support for him. The Pope has been supporting a man who has been hurting our people ever since he came into office.

We need to separate ourselves from the Pope's sad mistakes and ask ourselves, what has Mumbarak done to help our people? The answer is that he has only hurt us.

The Pope should stick to religious matters instead of becoming a cheerleader for such a demon.

It is a truly sad day indeed, when our own clergy turns against us and does not do what is in the best interest of the people of the church.


At 2:51 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

رنت أجراس الكنائس ! هو الرئيس اصبح بطريرك ولا حاجة؟

At 2:58 PM , Anonymous Anthony said...

I agree with His Holiness' position, let all Coptic churches around the world toll its bills in joy. (Except for the churches that Mubarak shut down or denied a permission to build of course)

At 2:59 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is blasphemy !!!

You should not question the words or decisions of the Pope ! He does what is best for our people and what is best for our souls.

Alfred N.

At 3:01 PM , Anonymous Anthony said...

Blasphemy !!! said who? The Bible?

At 3:03 PM , Anonymous Anthony said...

And how is it best for our souls to support a dictator and claim that he is incomparable?
Incomparable in what way exactly as I failed to understand?

At 3:06 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alfred this is not blasphemy.

Though it is very painful to admit, our Holy Pope has made some serious mistakes when it comes to blindly backing Mumbarack and playing the coward in the plight of our people.

It does not help in the long run if he forms unholy alliances with the very forces that are trying to destroy us.


At 3:11 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are acting like fools and don't understand. You are sinning against God Himself when you say such things. We don't know why the Pope does what he does. We don't know about everything that is going on, or why he makes different decisions. But we must respect his spiritual authority and follow all of his decisions believing that he will always do what is best for us.

Alfred N.

At 3:13 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

We must respect all of his decisions because he cares about us and is responsible for our salvation.

Alfred N.

At 3:20 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alfred you are the one who is being a fool. The Pope is making mistakes. He has gotten rid of some of his clergy that has spoken out about the persecution. He should have been supporting them. He is not acting with concern for our safety because Mumbarak continues to oppress us.

Why are you afraid to question the Pope, when so many Coptic lives in Egypt are so unfairly persecuted? Yes he is responsible for us but is he making the right decisions.?

I don't think he is.


At 3:22 PM , Anonymous Proud Copt said...

The Coptic orthodox church does not believe in the infaliability of the Pope, He is just as human as you and I. We are discussing his political desicions not his spiritual status. As human he can be right or wrong in taking a political stance. By supporting Mubarak and claiming that he is incomparable, he is indicating that the Copts are living a happy and joyous life, which is contrary to the situation on the ground where Copts suffer and wait for years to get a permit from Mubarak to build a church for example, and when they get one, it gets blocked by local authorities. Your defense of His Holiness is basically an emotional one and I can understand it. No one here is blaspheming, everyone has the right to express his/her opinion

At 3:47 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Proud Copt,

I agree with what you say about the Pope and Mubarak. I have had the same worries too. But the persecution of Christians in Egypt goes far beyond not giving permits for church buildings as Copts in Egypt are persecuted in a number of ways.

We need to rally together to communicate our concen to the clergy to let them know that we do not agree with the Pope on this.

There are some Copts who do this by trying to disrupt everything especially in church. I don't agree with this tactic. I believe it is best to approach the clergy with our thoughts while being respectful. - George

At 4:43 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Bible tells us to be obedient to our spiritual leaders. You are a blasphemer. You need to apologize to the Pope and our clergy. They are the ones who really care about your soul.


At 5:09 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi, my name is Sheila. A friend recommended this blog to me. I am not a Copt. But as a Christian I am interested in the persecution of Christians in Egypt. I have been following the Mubarak election and the persecution of Copts through Voice of the Martyrs. I have to say that am very disappointed with the way Pope S. is handling the persecution problem in Egypt.

As a Christian I don't think it is a good idea to follow anyone. Sometimes following common sense is the best thing. It is not a good idea for the pope to support Mubarak the way he does.

What do you think?

At 8:00 PM , Anonymous Michael said...

I agree with every single word you said Sheila
We should speak the truth no matter what


At 8:47 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like Sheila, I am fairly naive concerning this topic. I am curious however to hear more about the persecutions Copts face in their daily lives (as George says, that go far beyond not giving permits for church buildings). Please feel free to share those that both are the responsibility of President Mubarak and those that are due to other factors.

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