Friday, December 30, 2005

Egyptian Police Kill 10 Sudanese in Cairo

Sudanese refugees and migrants stand defiantly as Egyptian security troops fire water cannons on them

By BEN CURTIS, Associated Press Writer

CAIRO, Egypt - Egyptian police fired water cannons on Sudanese war refugees and beat them with sticks Friday as they tried to dismantle a camp in a city park where the refugees have squatted for months. Ten Sudanese, including elderly people and children, were killed, the government said.

Hundreds of Sudanese have been living in the park since September to protest the U.N. refugee agency's refusal to consider them for refugee status. They want to be resettled in a third country, such as the United States or Britain, rather than go home after a peace deal ended the 21-year-long civil war in Sudan.

Thousands of security forces moved in before midnight and closed off the area around the city park where the camp had been set up near the refugee agency.

Police fired water cannons at the protesters, then invaded the park when the Sudanese still refused to leave

Police beat the unarmed migrants with batons, continuing to hit them even as they were being dragged to government buses waiting to take them away. One officer carried a girl of about 3 or 4 years old who was unconscious. An ambulance worker said the girl was dead.

Thirty migrants, mostly elderly people and children, were wounded and transferred to a nearby hospital, where 10 of them died, the ministry said. Twenty-three policemen were also wounded.

The Interior Ministry blamed the violence on the protesters.


At 12:40 PM , Anonymous Peter said...

The Sudanese people are beautiful and the Egyptian government should show some tolerence and stop treating them like animals, I watched the BBC news and saw footage of how the Egyptian policemen were kicking and hitting these refuges in an inhumane way. The UN should also get involved and help these poor people

At 12:43 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will the Egyptian government get away with it just as it did in Al Kosheh massacre against the Copts?

At 2:09 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Death Toll Rises to 20 in Egyptian Police Raid of Sudanese Refugee Camp in Cairo Park
The Associated Press
CAIRO, Egypt - Thousands of riot police swinging truncheons brutally cleared a Sudanese refugee protest camp early Friday, and security officials said at least 20 refugees, including three children, died in the melee. An official Interior Ministry statement said 12 protesters died and 74 police were wounded.

But other ministry officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the press, put the number of dead at 20.

Boutrous Deng, one of the protest leaders, told The Associated Press that 26 Sudanese were killed. He said the dead included 17 men, two women and seven children.

For the video coverage go to:
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At 4:05 PM , Blogger Egypeter said...

Let's pray that it's not another Al Koseh massacre...pray for these poor good Sudanese people!

Does Muburak's government have a heart?

At 4:40 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

the lesson:
human value does no exist in Egypt and for all Egyptians and non-Egyptians.
The whole culture of ME is backward.

At 5:09 PM , Anonymous Muslim said...

This is sad, this is sad indeed. Allah (arabic for God) is just.

"Wa la yajrimannakom shana'an qawmin alla ta3dilo, a3dilo howa aqsat 3ind Allah" - Qur'an.

A command to be just regardless of race, creed or gender.

The interior minister in Egypt should be tried for crimes against humanity.

At 8:35 PM , Anonymous INFIDEL said...


At 8:37 PM , Blogger Egypeter said...

I agree with Muslim - they should be tried for crimes against humanity.

Egypt needs a secular government that will treat ALL of its citizens with humanity, respect and equality.

At 12:36 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope that Christian Copts realize that the brutality shown by the people in charge showed that they don’t believe in the sanctity of human life. This lack of respect of humanity is translated in miss-treatment of all Egyptians irrespective of their religion. The same police officers who watched the massacre of Christians Copts in different places in upper Egypt at the hands of some Muslims over the years are the same one who is also very harsh on Muslim Brotherhood members who wanted to change the government. It is the same people who create troubles between Muslims and Christians of Egypt by allowing radical Muslims preachers such El-Sharwa (may God forgive him) and other to attack the Christians values and families.

When we are all in a war among ourselve, they are happy collecting their increasing wealth, while most of the population are killing themselves in ignorance and poverty.

Egyptians are all victims of a society that is becoming more violent and abusive to every one. This abusive society breads hurts and despair in every soul. Please ask yourself how do you feel when you attack your fellow Egyptians because he/she is from the other religion. It never feel good insulting some else, even if you don’t know that person.

As for the Christians, these are our values. We lived with these values with our Coptic-Muslims for centuries, so follow the Bible. At least if we claim that we belong to Christ, then we have to listen to the Word of God when he says:

1And seeing the multitudes, He went up on a mountain, and when He was seated His disciples came to Him. 2Then He opened His mouth and taught them, saying:
3"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are those who mourn,
For they shall be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the earth.
6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
For they shall be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful,
For they shall obtain mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart,
For they shall see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called sons of God.
10Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11"Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

13 "You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men.
14"You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. 16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.

17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Murder Begins in the Heart
21 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, "You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.' 22But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, "Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, "You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire. 23Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison.
26Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.

Adultery in the Heart
27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, "You shall not commit adultery.'
28But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

Marriage Is Sacred and Binding
31 "Furthermore it has been said, "Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.' 32But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.

Jesus Forbids Oaths
33 "Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, "You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.' 34But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God's throne; 35nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black. 37But let your "Yes' be "Yes,' and your "No,' "No.' For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.

Go the Second Mile
38 "You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' 39But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. 41And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.

Love Your Enemies
43 "You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
44But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Matthew 6

Do Good to Please God
1 "Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven. 2Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 3But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4that your charitable deed may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will Himself reward you openly.

The Model Prayer
5 "And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 6But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. 7And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8"Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him. 9In this manner, therefore, pray:

Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
10Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts,
As we forgive our debtors.
13And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.
For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

14"For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

At this point, please ask your self, can you forgive any hurts you might have experienced by your Muslim friends.
And if you are Muslim reading these words of God, do you understand that our faith commands us to love you irrespective if you treat us bad of good. This is core and the heart of our faith, so please learn about us before you insult us without understanding.
And for all, let us love Egypt and all Egyptians and help make Egypt a good place for everyone.

At 8:31 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do you always try to undermine the suffering of Copts and equate it to the suffering of others in society?
Yes everyone is suffering in Egypt but Copts have it worest, anyone that denies this is simply blind

At 1:22 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

A good point, thank you. The suffering of our Christians is bad, but we have much hope and joy, even when we suffer. We are joyful not because part of our lives is difficult due to discrimination, but because of our faith who gave us strength to endure with love as Christ our God did when He loves us. You don’t see Copts committing acts of violence to express their frustration; that is blessing and a mode for Muslims to follow as well. That is the religious side of the struggle of the Copts.

On the social side, I am not blind of the destructive impacts of discrimination on the lives of ordinary Copts. The culture of disrespect of those who are different from us (Christians or Muslims) is due to the ignorance of all Egyptians (including me, so not offend anyone here). This disrespect is manifested in the childish attack on Christianity by some ignorant preachers.
The facts are so clear that Christian values and principle have created (allowed the creation of) the greatest advances in modern science, technology and liberty in the Western civilization which makes some fundamentalist to worry about the future of Islam in this open society.

The attack on Christianity is due to the feeling of inferiority by Muslim fundamentalists who feel that this culture will wash away the Islamic society. It is even much deeper than that, but it is a struggle between static and unchanging value and dynamic principles of modern cultures. It is between globalization and those who believe in local control. It is a worldwide struggle, but people in Islamic society tend to violence when they can’t express and channel their frustrations in progressive way.

My point is that we should focus on issue of discriminations and expose them rather than attacking Islam or Muslims. Let us learn from Martin Luther when he said I have a dream speech. He did not attack the white, but spooks of the suffering of his people. Every time I read his words I moved by the piety and the Christian values in the peaceful struggle: ‘

I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. And some of you have come from areas where your quest -- quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive. Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed.
Let us not wallow in the valley of despair, I say to you today, my friends.
And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."


And when this happens, when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual:
Free at last! Free at last!
Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!
in addition to Martin Luther King Jr, there is also Gandi and many like them who became international symbol by emphasing their struggles against discrimination itself not on the people who carried these attrocisty. I believe that once the Egyptian Muslims see our struggle they too will join us in the universal strugle against discrimination. They can be on our side if we are wise.
EGYPT needs someone like Martin Luther King Jr.
Happy new years All Egyptians.

At 1:50 PM , Anonymous Muslim said... remember, you are saying this on a weblog dedicated to tarnishing the image of Coptic Muslims and our leadership.

At 2:58 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Muslim:
I don’t understand your point. Please contact me with more specific request.

As for the news for today to every one (beside my brother Muslim).
The fruits of hate:
Bomb blast at Christian market kills 7 in Indonesia
I hope all Muslims one day will understand that when you preach hate, some unbalanced individuals will kill. Words kill.

At 3:31 PM , Blogger Egypeter said...

eemc - your words are kind and wise. You speak with a gentle tone and never do you insult anyone. I think many people, including myself, can learn a lesson from you!

I love what you say, I just hope it is not an overly optimistic outlook...and that maybe one day we can achieve it.

God Bless you.

At 4:01 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Egypeter;
We are children of light, and therefor we should always be joyful in Christ our God. Our heart is big and wide and with the grace of Christ could always embrace all of the humanity. We are ALL made by God out of His great love to mankind.
I hope and pray that a one day, all humanity will realize that they too are loved with an everlasting love of God.
As a Copt, I grow up in a very poor family. I experienced hate and discrimination since elementary school. I listened to preachers who were praying loudly for death to my people and my family, Yet, when I turn my focus on Christ, I was always able to see the same people as the creations of my Heavenly Father. I served a Sunday teacher in my Church and I learned from my parents, Pope Shenoda and my priest to love Egypt and to love God.

In the new year, I pray that the spirit of love will replace the spirit of hate in our world. And if we don’t start. Who will?
Happy new year to you and to all humanity.

At 1:02 AM , Anonymous Muslim said...

eemc2203, I don't condone the actions of a few misled muslims, including those in Egypt. But isn't it hypocritical preaching peace when you seek articles which emphasize and breed hate? essentially what this site is dedicated to promote - pure hate.

Qur'an 60:8 As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: [9] for, verily, God loves those who act equitably.

At 11:23 AM , Anonymous Maged said...

Don't mislead people by quoting abrogated quranic verses
Read Sura 9 from the Quran as it's violent verses negated the very few tolerant verse

At 2:50 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Muslim
Exposing corruption in any society is an act of humanity. If you read my comments, you will realize that I always try to emphasis the rights of ALL Egyptians; Muslims and Christians. I believe a society that discriminates against one person is not a just society. So we all need to stand together against all forms of discrimination, being against Coptic Christians or Coptic Muslims, including the Brotherhood.

I encourage you to go to the hate Islamic group in Egypt and outside Egypt and talk with them about the discrimination by some Muslim groups in Egypt of their Christian partners. If you work with the radical Muslims and I work with the radical Christians, we may bring these hate war to halt.

Our faith teaches us that: ‘God so loved the world’. Our God teaches us that we all are created onto the image and likeness of God. Our faith teaches us that ALL human beings are to be loved and respected because they are made by God. Our God does not differentiate between His children and those who do not believe in Him. He is the God of Love to ALL people.
We are all children of God, those who love Him and those who hate Him. And when we pray we pray for those who love us and those who hate us.

At 12:46 PM , Blogger Egypeter said...

Once again eemc, thank you for your excellent follow up. You bring up excellent points that everyone on this blog can take to heart! True teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ...thanks.

Muslim...if you happen to believe that this blog is purely set up to promote hate then why are you here? I'm sure most of the people on this blog are not looking for that...quite the opposite.
I think you should read
carefully what eemc has been writing.

God Bless.
St. Mark Chicago


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