Tuesday, December 20, 2005

The Revolutions of the Copts of Bashmur

A study highlighting the resistance of the Copts against the invaders:

The Revolutions of the Copts of Bashmur


At 3:43 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for linking to this fascinating article. My father related various legends about uprisings against the invaders - how a band of Greeks in the North-Eastern delta fought bravely and were defeated; how the Arabs filled in a major branch of the Nile to starve the rebels (permanently reducing Egypt's agricultural capacity); how on several occasions, when the tide turned in favor of the Copts, one Pope or another would intervene and plead (often successfully) with the Copts to roll over and submit to their Arab rulers.

It is heartening to read historical accounts that the Copts had, in the distant past, fought for themselves and their future.

Unfortunately, the political role of the Patriarch (who cares nothing for the earthly well-being of his people) was not confined to clerical affairs. If it was, the Copts might have enjoyed victory.

At 5:06 PM , Anonymous Emad said...

If you read the Coptic history, you might come to a conclusion that the Coptic clergy have always been an obstacle on the road of the Coptic fight for freedom, they taught our ancestors they don't belong here, and instead of standing up to the aggressors and invaders they told them to submit for the sake of peace, therefore our forefathers ended up not living as free people nor in peace as they sought. It would have been better if the then Pope -during the revolt in Bashmur (Delta region)- sacrificed himself to free Egypt instead of sacrificing a whole nation to free himself.
Please correct me If I'm wrong

At 5:55 PM , Anonymous original poster said...

Emad, I have personally come to the same conclusion you posited. I would actually go further and say that the Coptic clergy have been an obstacle to the healthy functioning of Coptic communities, from the national level right down to the church level. The best-run churches (and most active, vibrant congregations) are those where the priest does NOT occupy the apex of leadership.

However, the clergy is not to blame. The blame for clerical corruption lies with the people who bury their brains and put their faith in mere men, which is what the clergy are after all.

Jesus did not say "Do not ask anyone to call you Father." He said "Do not call any man your father."

At 8:46 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you ‘understand’ this parable, you will understand the history of the Copts. Don’t be naive thinking that the Copts would have changed history by killing themselves. Yes, we honor the memory of those who fought for freedom, but the issue was much bigger than Egypt or the Middle East. No one would have been able to saved us from our Muslim friend’s fate. Christ is the only hope we have. Trust in God, because the time of harvest has arrived and many Muslims will be saved and will come to the knowledge of Christ our God.
DO NOT attack Muslims or Islam, but instead pray for our/their salavation.

"The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? From whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest; and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn" (Mt. 13:24-30).


At 10:08 PM , Anonymous op said...


This is a wonderful parable. I agree 100% we should not attack or condemn muslims, but pray for them. It is not our place to judge or condemn anyone, and we are commanded to love our enemies.

That said, we all have a right to defend ourselves and build a future. We are not to love the world, but we MUST make the world a livable place for our selves, families, children, neighbors. Otherwise, why build a church? Why feed your children? Why protect them? Why get out of bed in the morning?

In this parable, we are the seedlings, not the sower. A seedling must spread its roots and compete to survive.

At 1:15 PM , Blogger Egypeter said...

I think each and every one of you have excellent points. God Bless you all! But hearing these stories you hope and pray that it will have a happy ending but we know that they all end like this revolt ended...it's so sad that it makes me cry!!

I really like what op said and I am from the thinking that resistance to the invaders should have been more organized during these times. I'm not really sure why the Copts in the 7th, 8th and 9th century did not organize and realize the threat to them. I had heard of the story of the Nubian Christian army marching on the Arabs in Egypt and the Coptic Pope intervened to stop it. Stories like that REALLY REALLY upset and anger me...

But eemc brings up really good points and continued prayer is what the Copts need in modern day Egypt...

St. Mark Chicago

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