Thursday, February 02, 2006

Saudi Authorities arrest a Copt for “ Possession of Christian Literature”

A Copt arrested in Saudi Arabia for possession of a Bible:
George Nader Halim, a 24-year-old Coptic Christian was detained by the Saudi authorities on January 28, 2006 at the airport for “Possession of Christian literature”. George only had a personal Bible when he arrived at the airport, he still remains in custody and faces imprisonment for committing such a crime!

Saudi Arabia that spends billions of dollars to spread Islam and the building of mosques in the US and Europe considers it illegal for Christians to gather together to practice their faith on its land. In Saudi Arabia , nothing relating to the Christian faith may be displayed, including such things as a necklace with a cross or a Bibles.

Some Christians have reported that upon entering Saudi Arabia they have had their personal Bibles taken from them and placed into a paper shredder.George’s relatives are calling on human rights organizations to intervene on their behalf to help the release of their son and call on the Saudi authorities to stop playing its double standard policies when it comes to freedom of worship


At 4:52 PM , Blogger Egypeter said...

The entire muslim world is boycotting Europe over a stupid cartoon of isn't that absurd?

But where is the outrage of the Christian world over burning bibles by saudi arabia? Or how about the murder of Christians in muslim lands? Or any of the other countless sectarian atrocities commited by muslims against Christians?

Is it funny to anyone else how intolerant people call for jihad when you cannot tolerate them?? Isn't it a two-way street?

When will the civilized world wake up?

At 10:39 AM , Anonymous raif said...

A lot of people truly believe that Saudi Arabia is the source of evil in the world these days. In spite of pretending to the contrary, Saudis are mostly fanatic moslems with no tolerance whatcoever of other people beliefs. For them you are either moslem or Kafer, and non moslems deserve to be persecuted, hmiliated, or even killed.

Saudis can be very hypocritical too. You can see them in cities like London and Paris, drinking alcohol, picking prostitutes, and showing their homosexual nature.

Remember when American soldiers went to Saudi Arabia to defend its citizens against Sadam?? They went there to protect the lives of Saudis, and the same Saudis were denying the same soldiers to carry crosses or bring personal bibles...what a bunch of hypocritic losers!

It is high time for the whole world to wake up and expose the TRUE nature of Saudi Arabia.

At 3:38 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
– Luke 19.27 *

Watch the cursed sysop delete this!

At 11:34 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here again is an example of misunderstanding and misquotation from the Bible by ill informed Muslims. Jesus told His disciple the following parable. After reading it if you think Jesus said that about Himself, then you don’t understand.
While they were listening to him speak, he proceeded to tell a parable ( A STORY) because he was near Jerusalem and they thought that the kingdom of God would appear there immediately.
So he said, "A nobleman went off to a distant country to obtain the kingship for himself and then to return.
He called ten of his servants and gave them ten gold coins 5 and told them, 'Engage in trade with these until I return.'
His fellow citizens, however, despised him and sent a delegation after him to announce, 'We do not want this man to be our king.'
But when he returned after obtaining the kingship, he had the servants called, to whom he had given the money, to learn what they had gained by trading.
The first came forward and said, 'Sir, your gold coin has earned ten additional ones.'
He replied, 'Well done, good servant! You have been faithful in this very small matter; take charge of ten cities.'
Then the second came and reported, 'Your gold coin, sir, has earned five more.'
And to this servant too he said, 'You, take charge of five cities.'
Then the other servant came and said, 'Sir, here is your gold coin; I kept it stored away in a handkerchief,
for I was afraid of you, because you are a demanding person; you take up what you did not lay down and you harvest what you did not plant.'
He said to him, 'With your own words I shall condemn you, you wicked servant. You knew I was a demanding person, taking up what I did not lay down and harvesting what I did not plant;
why did you not put my money in a bank? Then on my return I would have collected it with interest.'
And to those standing by he said, 'Take the gold coin from him and give it to the servant who has ten.'
But they said to him, 'Sir, he has ten gold coins.'
'I tell you, to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
Now as for those enemies of mine who did not want me as their king, bring them here and slay them before me.'"

At 11:50 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am sorry, I read it over and over, and don't see the moral of the "parable". What is Jesus supposedly advocating here? I see tyranny, slavery, usury and finally slaying.

Man made garbage.

At 11:57 PM , Anonymous Muslim said...

Maybe the pope and his cronies should get together and remove this portion of the bible. Call it the "We're more peaceful than Islam Edition Bible"

It won't be the first time, or the last time. Pshaw!

At 12:06 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Luke 19.27 Not the word of the Lord? Oh yes it is!

Christian apologists squirm and wriggle over this infamous command of Jesus to murder his enemies. "It's not Jesus," they say, "It's the 'harsh master' in the parable." But is it?

Luke builds to JC's big finish in Jerusalem by having his meandering hero tell a series of parables along the way. Luke 19 is the link from Jericho to the Temple itself. In verses 1-10, near Jericho, the godman invites himself into the house of a dwarfish publican called Zacchaeus and rewards the guy with salvation after Zac' says he is going to give half his goods to the poor.

At verse 11 a new scene is set: JC is about to depart (and of course he knows crucifixion awaits him); his audience think the Kingdom of God is at hand.

JC responds with the infamous parable, which is actually an attempt by 2nd century gospel writers to deal with issued raised by the "delayed kingdom". The believing brethren have the "good news" but what are they to do with it?

The parable starts with the words "A certain man of noble birth went far to receive a kingdom. And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds." Is this JC? The answer is to be found in an earlier version of the same yarn – in Matthew:

"For the Kingdom of Heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods." – 25,14
Matthew tells his version of the story using just 3 servants (they represent the Christian brethren, "servants of the Lord'. "After a long time the Lord of those servants cometh" (25.19). There is a reckoning (the Day of Judgement). The lord is well pleased with 2 of them who have successfully "earned interest on his money."

"Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy Lord." – 25,21
The third servant however, who denounces his lord as harsh, says he was "afraid" and simply hid the lord's investment. A displeased lord turns on him as a "wicked and slothful servant" (25:27).

The point of the story? This is how Matthew rounds it off:

"For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." – 25.29,30

In other words this so-called Parable of the Harsh Master / Parable of the Talents is a story about what Christians are to do with the "gospel" as they wait for the coming of the Kingdom of Heaven. They are to spread the word ("grow the Lord's money", not hide it away. Correctly understood, this is the parable of the slothful servant, threatened with "outer darkness."

When Luke copied Matthew's efforts he added a new element: "reluctant citizens" of the new kingdom (no doubt he had in mind recalcitrant pagans).

"But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us." – 19.14
Luke followed closely Matthew's story but replaced the final bit threatening "outer darkness" to lazy brethren with a more immediate and tangible injunction aimed at "enemies":

"I tell you, that to every one who has will more be given; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." – 19.27

Where did Luke get his inspiration? A nobleman "travelling far to receive a kingdom" is a rare enough event. Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews - Book 17, chapter 11 maps the story and also provides all the ingredients for both 19.14 and 19.27.

With the death of Herod the Great, his son Archelaus – of noble birth – journeyed to Rome to "receive his kingdom" from Emperor Augustus. But at the same time an embassy of the Jews petitioned Caesar that "out of their hatred to him" Archelaus not "be set over their kingdom". Archelaus had slaughtered 3000 of his enemies at the Temple. The emperor eventually removed him and sent him into exile in 6 AD.

Josephus wrote Antiquities of the Jews around 93 AD.

At 9:10 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some Muslims have great confusion regarding Christianity. They have the idea that Christians are able and willing to distort the words of God. The simple answer, believe whatever you want. However, if you are serious in your comments, let me explain simple fact in Christianity, which I hope will answer the three comments that were posted by fellow Muslims.
Christianity is NOT the bible and does NOT need any written words from God. Christianity is a personal relationship with God. Christ did not say I leave words to follow (as Mohammed said to Muslims), but MY Spirit. When you think of Mohammed, you imagine a historical figure that lived on earth at certain time and now he is dead. However, when you think of Jesus, he is not a historical figure that is gone but a living person. You can call His name and you can feel His presence any where and any time in human history. In fact, if you call His name (even if you don’t believe in Him), you feel His Spirit and His presence

In the book of Acts we read:
1 I wrote the former account, Theophilus, about all that Jesus began to do and teach 2 until the day he was taken up to heaven, after he had given orders by the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen. 3 To the same apostles also, after his suffering, he presented himself alive with many convincing proofs. He was seen by them over a forty-day period and spoke about matters concerning the kingdom of God. 4 While he was with them, he declared, “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait there for what my Father promised, which you heard about from me. 5 For John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

Christians are born by the spirit into the Kingdom of God. God in His love established a Kingdom, and we are His children. God was not known in the Old, but in the right time, God appeared in the flesh and lives among us. The name of Jesus (who is God and man) is Emanuel which means God with us. God in Christ has revealed His love to humanity. His kingdom is eternal and everlasting. And if you don’t belong to this Kingdom, you are automatically belonging to the kingdom of the anti-Christ. You can’t be in the kingdom of God and in the same time lives in darkness. In addition, you can’t have light outside of Christ, because He is the ONLY light of the World.
Once you understand the above, you will be able to read and understand the words of the Bible.

At 9:40 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...


Can you honestly say that Islam and Christianity are equally peaceful, that their adherents show equal tolerance and forebearance?

It must be painful to see your co-religionists create a global firestorm over a few cartoons. I honestly can't think of any other religion or belief system that would behave the same way.

Do you really prefer, deep in your heart, a belief system that says to kill you if you renounce it? That says you must fight/kill/humiliate all others who don't accept it?

Open your mind, heart, or soul (take your pick).

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At 9:42 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its a shame how these Middle Eastern countries are....killing christians, raping christian woman and torturing and doing such horrific crimes and they get away with it. What kind of God do they serve? Certainly not a God of love, to do this to another human being. I am so glad i live in a country of freedom and respect for others. I pray for all coptic christians, I would like for all those muslims be returned to their own countries, and all the christians who want love and peace come on over to the USA. God Bless you!


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